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NY Supreme Court rules state's quarantine and isolation orders unconstitutional
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zinn
2022-08-15 06:39:17 UTC
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In February, New York Democratic governor Kathy Hochul enacted a new order
that would allow health officials to enforce isolation and quarantine
wherever they deemed it necessary.

On Friday, a New York Supreme Court judge struck down the rule after
finding it to be in violation of state law.

"Whenever appropriate to control the spread of a highly contagious
communicable disease, the State Commissioner of Health may issue and/or
may direct the local health authority to issue isolation and/or quarantine
orders, consistent with due process of law, to all such persons as the
State Commissioner of Health shall determine appropriate."

The rule also gave health authorities the ability to "monitor" people to
"ensure compliance with the order and determine whether such person
requires a higher level of medical care."

Following the passage of the rule, state Sen. George Borrello, two
Republican state Assembly members, and NYS United filed a lawsuit against
Gov. Hochul as well as state health commissioner Mary Bassett, the state
Health Department, and the state Public Health and Health Planning
Council. They argued that the rule lacked due process, and gave
authorities too much discretion when deciding who should be placed in
quarantine.

According to The Observer, Section 2120 of the state Public Health Law
requires that an "independent magistrate" set the terms of detention.

In his ruling, NY Supreme Court Justice Ronald Ploetz argued similarly.

"The efficacy of isolating or quarantining infected individuals has been
known to mankind since Biblical times, and probably before," he wrote in
his decision. "Respondents offered no scientific data or expert testimony
why Rule 2.13 was a necessary response to combat Covid-19, but instead
contend only that it would provide a quick and nimble approach to
combatting the pandemic."

"Involuntary detention is a severe deprivation of individual liberty," he
continued, "far more egregious than other health safety measures, such as
requiring mask-wearing at certain venues. Involuntary quarantine may have
far-reaching consequences such as loss of income (or employment) and
isolation from family."

In New York, the Supreme Court is in the bottom tier of the judicial
system, with the Court of Appeals taking the spot as the "highest court in
the land."

https://thepostmillennial.com/ny-supreme-court-rules-states-quarantine-
and-isolation-orders-unconstitutional
25B.Z969
2022-08-16 00:50:08 UTC
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Post by zinn
In February, New York Democratic governor Kathy Hochul enacted a new order
that would allow health officials to enforce isolation and quarantine
wherever they deemed it necessary.
On Friday, a New York Supreme Court judge struck down the rule after
finding it to be in violation of state law.
So, they'll change the state law tomorrow ....

POWER is the goal and Laws will NOT stand in the way.

Oh yea ... isn't all this like THREE YEARS LATE ???

No this is not without precedent. During WW2 there
were a LOT of technical constitutional/legal violations.
The USSC adopted the strategy of just SITTING on all
that until the war was over.

In this case, the state courts just SAT on all this
until the pandemic was effectively over.

Hate to say it, but reality is MESSY - and "ideals"
are sometimes just TOO ideal to be the answer of
the moment. This is nothing new. Do nasty or DIE ...
and if you don't die THEN you apologize.

There WILL be future epidemics, maybe something that
makes Covid look mild - one of those things that'll
slaughter ten, or fifty, or ninety percent unless
extreme measures are taken VERY quickly. Govts need
that ability.

But they ALSO need *restraints* against ABUSING such
authority. I've seen them working up to The Great
Monkeypox Apocalypse - one excuse to go all back
to EZ-Cheat write-in voting. The lefties are really
desperate now, they'll try every dirty trick. That's
politics, the way it's always been. Nothing nicey-nice
about it at all. Skip the posters in 1959 Civics class.
The more desperate the times, the worse, and WORSE, it
all gets.
Klaus Schadenfreude
2022-08-16 00:59:41 UTC
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Post by 25B.Z969
During WW2 there
  were a LOT of technical constitutional/legal violations.
  The USSC adopted the strategy of just SITTING on all
  that until the war was over.
Bullshit.
25B.Z969
2022-08-17 02:25:16 UTC
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On 8/15/22 8:59 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:> On 8/15/2022 5:50 PM,
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by 25B.Z969
During WW2 there
were a LOT of technical constitutional/legal violations.
The USSC adopted the strategy of just SITTING on all
that until the war was over.
Bullshit.
Ever talk to any old Japanese-Americans ???

I have.

That was just BAD. So much with rights and
due process, evidence, all that junk .....
Mitchell Holman
2022-08-17 02:30:52 UTC
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Post by 25B.Z969
On 8/15/22 8:59 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:> On 8/15/2022 5:50 PM,
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by 25B.Z969
During WW2 there
were a LOT of technical constitutional/legal violations.
The USSC adopted the strategy of just SITTING on all
that until the war was over.
Bullshit.
Ever talk to any old Japanese-Americans ???
I have.
That was just BAD. So much with rights and
due process, evidence, all that junk .....
But is that allowed to be taught in
"American Exceptionalism" conservative
states?

I doubt it.

It might cause "discomfort", you know.



Bill to ban lessons making white students feel
discomfort advances in Florida Senate
01/20/22
https://tinyurl.com/3tezaxc6
Scout
2022-08-17 02:50:29 UTC
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Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by 25B.Z969
On 8/15/22 8:59 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:> On 8/15/2022 5:50 PM,
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by 25B.Z969
During WW2 there
were a LOT of technical constitutional/legal violations.
The USSC adopted the strategy of just SITTING on all
that until the war was over.
Bullshit.
Ever talk to any old Japanese-Americans ???
I have.
That was just BAD. So much with rights and
due process, evidence, all that junk .....
But is that allowed to be taught in
"American Exceptionalism" conservative
states?
I doubt it.
It might cause "discomfort", you know.
Bill to ban lessons making white students feel
discomfort advances in Florida Senate
01/20/22
https://tinyurl.com/3tezaxc6
Well, come on, you know...DeSantis the boy-buggerer will just say that
internment of Japanese-American *citizens* was something done in California
(never mind that California was ultra-red in the 1940s).
Circus Party
2022-08-17 03:02:38 UTC
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On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 19:50:29 -0700, Rudy Canoza frogging Scout
Post by Scout
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by 25B.Z969
On 8/15/22 8:59 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:> On 8/15/2022 5:50 PM,
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by 25B.Z969
During WW2 there
were a LOT of technical constitutional/legal violations.
The USSC adopted the strategy of just SITTING on all
that until the war was over.
Bullshit.
Ever talk to any old Japanese-Americans ???
I have.
That was just BAD. So much with rights and
due process, evidence, all that junk .....
But is that allowed to be taught in
"American Exceptionalism" conservative
states?
I doubt it.
It might cause "discomfort", you know.
Bill to ban lessons making white students feel
discomfort advances in Florida Senate
01/20/22
https://tinyurl.com/3tezaxc6
Well, come on, you know...DeSantis the boy-buggerer will just say that
internment of Japanese-American *citizens* was something done in California
(never mind that California was ultra-red in the 1940s).
And look at it now. San Francisco covered in gay drug addict shit.

The Los Angeles mayor was packing his bags for an ambassadorship and
got his wings clipped because his main man, a flaming queer was
feeling up guys in city government offices.

Oakland lost it's football team.

Businesses have been packing up and leving by the trainload.

That's a lot for the blue regime to be proud of, Rudy.
25B.Z969
2022-08-17 03:03:58 UTC
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Post by Scout
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by 25B.Z969
On 8/15/22 8:59 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:> On 8/15/2022 5:50 PM,
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by 25B.Z969
During WW2 there
were a LOT of technical constitutional/legal violations.
The USSC adopted the strategy of just SITTING on all
that until the war was over.
Bullshit.
Ever talk to any old Japanese-Americans ???
I have.
That was just BAD. So much with rights and
due process, evidence, all that junk .....
But is that allowed to be taught in
"American Exceptionalism" conservative
states?
I doubt it.
It might cause "discomfort", you know.
Bill to ban lessons making white students feel
discomfort advances in Florida Senate
01/20/22
https://tinyurl.com/3tezaxc6
Well, come on, you know...DeSantis the boy-buggerer will just say that
internment of Japanese-American *citizens* was something done in
California (never mind that California was ultra-red in the 1940s).
You're projecting again ....

There's Truth, and there's BLM/ANTIFA propaganda,
the screed of the New Klan.

Keep the former, scrap the latter.
g***@gmail.com
2022-08-17 03:15:48 UTC
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On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 02:30:52 +0000, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by 25B.Z969
On 8/15/22 8:59 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:> On 8/15/2022 5:50 PM,
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by 25B.Z969
During WW2 there
were a LOT of technical constitutional/legal violations.
The USSC adopted the strategy of just SITTING on all
that until the war was over.
Bullshit.
Ever talk to any old Japanese-Americans ???
I have.
That was just BAD. So much with rights and
due process, evidence, all that junk .....
But is that allowed to be taught in
"American Exceptionalism" conservative
states?
I doubt it.
It might cause "discomfort", you know.
Bill to ban lessons making white students feel
discomfort advances in Florida Senate
01/20/22
https://tinyurl.com/3tezaxc6
I was educated through seventh grade in the north and from eighth
grade on in the south. I didn't learn about Japanese internment until
I was an adult. There was not a whisper of it in school.

Swill
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Mitchell Holman
2022-08-17 13:15:02 UTC
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Post by g***@gmail.com
On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 02:30:52 +0000, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by 25B.Z969
On 8/15/22 8:59 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:> On 8/15/2022 5:50 PM,
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by 25B.Z969
During WW2 there
were a LOT of technical constitutional/legal violations.
The USSC adopted the strategy of just SITTING on all
that until the war was over.
Bullshit.
Ever talk to any old Japanese-Americans ???
I have.
That was just BAD. So much with rights and
due process, evidence, all that junk .....
But is that allowed to be taught in
"American Exceptionalism" conservative
states?
I doubt it.
It might cause "discomfort", you know.
Bill to ban lessons making white students feel
discomfort advances in Florida Senate
01/20/22
https://tinyurl.com/3tezaxc6
I was educated through seventh grade in the north and from eighth
grade on in the south. I didn't learn about Japanese internment until
I was an adult. There was not a whisper of it in school.
Swill
When I was in school we got a regular
holiday for Confederate Heroes Day.

We were taught that slavery existed
but nothing about the reality of it.
Or the Japanese internment camps, or
Wounded Knee, or the Klan. We gots
lots of instruction about communist
atrocities tho. Not communism, just
communists. And "duck and cover"
drills, just to keep us all afraid.

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